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A promise from David Deeks

 

 

For everyone who has been let down by their church - who finds that the pious and proud proclamations of support and help actually come to nothing when tested,

 

David Deeks is the head of the Methodist Church with the title 'General Secretary'.

Since 2005 I have battled to have my voice heard with respect to my complaint against Celia McDonald and last October 2007, I eventually received an invitation from Mr Deeks to meet with him and discuss a way of reconciling the matters. I was delighted and accepted his offer immediately.

That invitation arrived on 22nd October after I had written to him telling him that David Gamble was overstepping his authority and had no right to refuse to hear a further complaint against Celia of her falsified evidence to the former hearing. I asked Mr Deeks to progress the matter. I had already accused Gamble of corruption and voiced my intention of putting him through the disciplinary process if he didn't cooperate.

Gamble replied with the usual diatribe intermingled with aggression and bullishness.

 

Gamble sent me an email  telling me that I am persecuting Celia and that he has been more than tolerant with me. And that he has only been tolerant with me because of the depressive illness. I laughed!  If threatening to have me arrested is him being tolerant I wouldn't like to meet him on an off day!

Read the exchanges below

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Did Lewis Carroll write this?

 

I told Gamble that he was corrupt and that I would make a formal complaint against him for obstructing justice - I appealed to David Deeks saying that Gamble was overstepping his authority and that I require Celia McDonald be put on a further complaint of falsifying evidence to an official church hearing and engineering a wrong decision in her favour. David Deeks made the following reply.

Email from David Deeks

 

I had already planned to petition parliament during October 2007 and on 22nd October 2007 I received the above email from David Deeks stating that it was a 'holding response'.

 

I responded positively to this email and I immediately accepted Mr Deeks offer to meet. I was delighted that at last somebody with authority within the church had sidestepped the bully and was talking to me reasonably and with an apparent heart of reconciliation.

 

I did hold off and did not progress the publicity campaign - it was behind schedule anyway and we risked running into Christmas. My PR agent was guiding me with regard to timings and this offer from Mr Deeks was not only very welcome but also timely.

However, Mr Deeks did not contact me with any dates to meet and I had to keep chasing him. I offered a few dates, which did not suit except that Friday 7th December was a possibility. Mr Deeks said that he would confirm later on and that other things had to be weighed in the balance. I didn’t have a clue what weighed in the balance meant and I didn't ask.

 

7th December loomed and I received no confirmation and I had to make other arrangements for this day. I told Mr Deeks and he replied saying that he thought that 7th December was a given date. No, he hadn't confirmed it with me so I couldn't keep it available to him.

 

I did become frustrated with Mr Deeks and told him so; I suggested that he wasn't sincere. I said that I looked forward to permanently deleting the websites and finally halting the press campaign. I quickly received another reply and he confirmed that we would meet in the evening of 7th December.

I sent this letter to Mr Deeks on 30th November 2007

Mr Deeks reply

 

Mr Deeks then told me that some of his difficulty was that he lived in Bristol. I happened to be in that area on 22nd and 23rd December so we arranged to meet in Bristol.

Prior to our meeting I told Mr Deeks that I didn't want to revisit the past and he agreed. See below...

We agreed not to revisit the past

Mr Deeks and I met after church on Sunday 23rd December and had a very pleasant discussion.

During our meeting I was astonished at Mr Deeks honesty and very impressed with him. I had at last met somebody who upheld the principles that the Methodist Church purports to hold.

 

Mr Deeks told me that the complaints procedures are being overhauled and there will be vast improvements to the complaints process during 2008. We talked about Celia but not about her in any personal depth. I had made it clear that I was standing by my stance and not moving from the truth and Mr Deeks acknowledged, even put forward the truth of this hearing himself. He was a very honest man. This man could put things right and I was certain that he would do so.

 

Mr Deeks offered to speak to Celia and instigate a meeting between her and I. I told him that was what I wanted to hear and that I would wait and not do anything in the meantime.

 

I deleted this website and told my PR agent to down tools. I had nothing with the solicitor and was now looking forward to hearing from Mr Deeks.

 

We exchanged a couple of polite follow up emails including the following which he replied to immediately and seemed pleased with.

 

An offer from me to Celia via David Deeks

I made one further request to Mr Deeks asking that the evidence that had been witheld from me at the time of the hearing be sent to me in advance of the meeting between Celia and I. This was the evidence submitted by my own Minister Trevor Williams. It was a set of meeting minutes that if true would have incriminated Celia at the hearing. For some reason they didn't seem to incriminate Celia and even stranger was the fact that they were hidden from me. There was already one set of falsified meeting minutes submitted as evidence, was this another? I suspect very strongly that the reason these minutes were and are still being hidden from me is because they were falsified prior to presentation.

I could not sit with Celia knowing that there was still questionable evidence to be disclosed and I needed to see these minutes and sort them out in advance of our meeting. Mr Deeks replied saying that he is away for two weeks and will attend to it upon his return.

 

Guess what?   I never heard from him again!

 

I chased him quite a few times but he ignored all of my emails from then on. This was despite me saying to him that there would be no repercussions on Celia no matter what Williams had submitted. I would deal with Williams separately within the URC. The objective of this was not to incriminate Celia further but to resolve the issues and move forward. She and I may not meet again nor forge a friendship but that was not the objective. The objective was to right the wrongs of the past in a friendly and honest manner.  I waited but.....

 

But how long does one wait?

 

Eight weeks after our meeting there was no sign that he had contacted Celia and he stopped responding to me.

 

It looked as if he was in fact holding me off and that his 'holding response' of October was the beginning of a tactical game in holding me at bay.

 

EIGHT WEEKS after our meeting there was no sign that he had done anything that he had promised to do.

 

The publicity campaign had been held in abeyance for four months by then and I began to feel rather hoodwinked.

 

I had to think carefully about what course of action to take.

 

What swung my decision to carry on with the publicity campaign was the possibility that others had been hurt by the churches and my quest to try to reach these people was being thwarted by this 'holding response'. I was indeed being held off.

 

Mr Deeks could not have meant that he would genuinely contact Celia otherwise he would have done it. The fact is he didn't do it and his promise was therefore false. I had been 'had'.

 

However, Mr Deeks does come across as sinscere doesn't he? His admissions were astonishingly honest and I was truly impressed with him. Perhaps he did mean what he said but genuinely found it too difficul to do. However, it was only after asking for Williams evidence to be opened up that he went quiet so it does appear  very tainted.

 

I will say it again Mr Deeks - there will be NO repercussions on Celia or the Methodist church no matter what Williams submitted. All I ask is an assurance that in future ALL evidence is opened up as it is supposed to be and never witheld.

 

Evidence is not always genuine as we now know and it is most unsatisfactory that evidence which I have good reason to question is not shown to me as it was supposed to be.

 

I will say this to Celia. Celia, I see more talent in you than all of the URC Ministers put together. You are wasted! You can do better than this so come and reconcile the situation and put this behind once and for all.

 

However, in the meantime the campaign continues............